Inside the Studio: Nature's Way to End Inflammation with Clint Ober - Next Level Soul (2025)

Clint Ober 0:00
These are environmental health disorders, because we changed our environment. We lost our ground.

Alex Ferrari 0:05
That's the number one killer of humanity right now is inflammation.

Clint Ober 0:09
Most all life came out of the Earth,

Alex Ferrari 0:14
Our cultures around the world who are much closer to the earth.

Clint Ober 0:19
I wanted nothing to do with a business I was pretty much retired. I wanted to do the research and putting together a body of evidence to help people understand what this was. Everything is electrical and how they pronounce you dead. The electrical stops, then you are dead.

Alex Ferrari 0:51
I like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Clint Ober how you doing Clint?

Clint Ober 0:55
Good Alex, thanks for having me back on and it's real opportunity. I really appreciate being able to come back and visit.

Alex Ferrari 1:02
Oh, of course. Well, first of all, I appreciate you coming down to Austin. It's a little bit chilly. It's been we're used to here right now, currently, as we're recording this,

Clint Ober 1:10
This is a record breaking.

Alex Ferrari 1:13
The world's changing.

Clint Ober 1:16
Not heat wave, the opposite.

Alex Ferrari 1:17
Yeah cold wave.

Clint Ober 1:18
Frigid, frigid, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:20
Arctic blast is the arctic blast. That's but I appreciate you coming on, and I'm such a fan of what you do and the work that you're doing in the earthing movement, which you basically started. And we're here to talk about your books, the Mother Earth effect, and, of course, the classic earthing, the most important health discovery ever, right? And from someone who has started earthing after being introduced to you a while ago, it is pretty remarkable what it does, health wise, and how you feel, and, yeah, all the things it does. We're going to get into that. But for people who don't know a little bit about you, how did you get how did you discover this, this concept of grounding and earthing.

Clint Ober 2:02
Well, that's a long story.

Alex Ferrari 2:04
Well, like, we'll make a truncated version, because they have, we have the other episodes that can go deeper into it.

Clint Ober 2:08
Yeah, basically, I, you know, I grew up in nature. First of all, I spent a lot of time raising animals and crops. And so I'm very organic, very just a Nature Boy. And so I've always had that connection with nature and and when I left that environment and I went for the, you know, to work in the big world. I fell in love with television because I was born in 1944 there wasn't, I mean, all we had was radio Saturday after Saturday night listening to the radio, which is very interesting. But anyhow, so television came along in the 50s, about that era, and I remember that everybody just came and, you know, my school friends, everybody would come over and and they would just get glued to this thing. But, but I once I understood. I mean, I grew up with television. I grew up with that world, and so I saw everything and as it manifest, but there was you have this appetite for more and and so I fell in love with the concept of cable television back in those days, because we had one channel, maybe in rural Montana, in those areas. And so you had to go, sometimes put a mountain, you know, a antenna, antenna up on a mountain, and then you'd run twin lead down the mountain. Then you'd point antennas at it, and you get a fuzzy signal. But as I, but I fell in love with that concept of and then adding channels and bringing in channels from in that day, from Helena or Great Falls, or Missoula or somewhere, and then so everybody could have more to see or more. But the magic that I saw in it was that it was, it was the world is bigger than Billings Montana, where I grew up. It was. And when you saw even just the news from Helena or whatever, the world became smaller, and you felt more part of it. And then when we were able to bring WGN from Denver or wtbs from Atlanta or whatever. I mean, the world just dramatically changed and and then satellites. When we learned the satellites were stationary and we could bounce TV signals off of them, it's like, it's like, I knew one day that you. Know, with that technology, that you would everybody in the world would have access to this, all the information at the same time, and then, then you would have a, you know, it just, it was a mission. Became a mission at that point, was to and we saw cable as having hundreds of channels and whatever. And we saw them being more what you see today in like narrow casting, but we saw that everybody could have a channel every interest and and really an advancement for the world, until corporate America understood the power of advertising. Then they came and took over the whole industry later. But anyhow, so I fell in love with that. And so my background is, is in that field. But what, what we learned early on is everything had to be grounded to the earth. That's not a friendly term. It's not a term most people would have had ever really paid attention to or understood. But we had to ground the cables in the air, on the power lines or the poles. We had to ground everything to the earth in case there was static electricity building up on the lines, or atmospheric charges or lightning, especially because the lightning would travel down the lines. And if you have cable going into the house, you go into the house and blow up a TV set more start a fire. It's about fire, preventing fire and and also preventing interference with the CO actual type cables and so on. So. But anyhow, so grounding was in the mix of everything I was involved in, but it was, it was kind of like breathing, you know, his base. You had to shield everything, protect everything, prevent interference, and, and, and as time went on, you know, I, I just took it for granted. I thought everybody knew about it, grounding, sure, and then. But so what happened is, in the 1960s we invented shoes, or the rubber, the synthetic sole, shoes that insulate us from the earth. And you know, after I retired from the communications industry, cable industry. Spent 30 years there, but I retired when I was about 50, and I just got bored because corporate America come in, you know, took everything over but, but I just one day, intuitively ask, I mean, there's a whole story goes with all of this, that is there a consequence to humans no longer being naturally grounded. Most people would not even know what the term grounded means other than an electrical people, it's called earthing. Technically, you put a ground rod in the earth you connect anything in the environment that's electrical. You connect to it in order to prevent damage from lightning or electrical events or all kinds of electrical issues. So But anyhow, is second nature, and we developed a lot of it in the early cable industry because we didn't have computers. You didn't need grounding back in the old days, right? There's not even grounding on the old homeless built before 1960 you know, and so. But anyhow, so it was just it evolved. And then I kind of eventually retired, I guess, and and evolved. So I just accidentally asked the question, or, well, I accidentally grounded myself one day on doing something that I didn't really wasn't thinking about. But I noticed that pain went away. Chronic pain in my body went away whenever I would ground myself to the earth, and I didn't understand it and but anyhow, it set me up on this mission. So it's just a series of events that is that happened. I have no idea where they came from, how, how I ended up there, because I was, I was a totally different person. And then all of a sudden, this question, I wonder if there's a consequence to humans no longer being naturally grounded. Nobody would ask that question unless they were born in the 40s, right? Because back then, you were therefore you couldn't get off the earth. You couldn't get ungrounded. It was literally impossible. They were happier and healthier and well, yeah, they were much happier and healthier.

Alex Ferrari 9:39
The thing that's fascinating too, is, as I've gotten deeper down, the grounding or the earthing idea, is one thing that you've said before is that there is no natural cancer or diseases in that sense, for animals, because they're constantly ground you never heard of unless. It's something environmental, unless it's something that they they're in some sewage or something that we did to them. But if they're in a normal, naturally, well balanced ecosystem, animals don't get those kind of diseases in nature. They do house pets do because they're not grounded. Is that correct?

Clint Ober 10:18
In nature in the natural world, cancer does not exist, right? It's not a thing. Inflammation does not exist, right? And to put that in perspective, so we can relate to it, animals who live outdoors, in the wild, in nature, they do not manifest any of these modern health disorders, cardiovascular disease, cancer, lupus, MS, autism, you name it, they don't manifest any of them. On the other hand, animals who live indoors with their owners, 50% of them die from cancer, same rate as their owners. And cancer does not exist in the natural world. It's it has to do with our immune system over the years, as our, as our we, as we evolved, and as we ended up who we are. If inflammation were to manifest in the population like it does today, we wouldn't be here, because everybody today is sick. Everybody's suffering from an inflammation related health disorder.

Alex Ferrari 11:16
That's the that's the number one killer of humanity right now, is inflammation,

Clint Ober 11:21
And that term didn't enter the lexicon lexicon until 19 or 2004, yeah, exactly 20-20, years ago.

Alex Ferrari 11:30
That's crazy, but that's, it's so true, inflammation is the number one cause of all of the diseases that are killing human beings around the planet. So let's, let's get into the science a little bit. Because, you know, right now, this sounds very, you know, pagan, earthy. Oh, it is, yeah. Like, you know, let's put some crystals on the ground. That sage the room, kind of energy. But there is hard science to this. So can you talk about that a little bit?

Clint Ober 11:55
First of all, it sounded absurd, right, that you could take your bare feet off, stand on the earth, and the inflammation in your body would pretty much disappear. I mean, and when I say inflammation is the hot, burning pain that you get when you have an injury or like when you have a chronically a chronic health disorder. Sure, it's a degenerative type thing and but you have two pains. If you get hurt. One pain is, you know, to you back off whatever. But if you're ungrounded, then you have a secondary pain that's called inflammation. That's where the body is producing, giving an example, like, if you have an injury or you have a health challenge coming, you know, like, your immune it's a it's all about the immune system.

Alex Ferrari 12:53
But when you do so, like, basically, for people to understand, let's say you twist your ankle, or you break your ankle, inflammation is brought in to protect the

Clint Ober 13:03
That's called an oxidative burst. That's not inflammation,

Alex Ferrari 13:05
That's not inflammation, it's just it's you have to bring the swelling down.

Clint Ober 13:09
An oxidative burst is if you have an injury, or there's damaged tissue, then the the the white blood cells are like a neutrophil will come over and or the immune system knows how to signal all them, and they'll come over and they'll surround an area where the damage has occurred, and they'll release what you call reactive oxygen species, and they will reduce cells that are damaged, unrepairable, or repair other whatever. But anyhow, in that process, that's where it all begins. And in nature, when you're standing barefoot on the earth, your body absorbs what we call negative charge, or the Earth is, I hate to get go for it lost out here, but you know, the Earth is negative, meaning it has an electrical surface charge. It's a negative charge. Essentially, it's a negative charge, like a battery. But think of no charge. You know, there's no charge as negative. And so anyhow, when you are, when you're in contact with the earth, like the animals who live in the wild, or like, if you're outdoors, surfers, surfers, you know, you know, all the people who live close to the ocean spend time in the ocean there forever. That's grounded, essentially, very well grounded. But, but anyhow, so anyhow, when you have a injury, then what happens is the immune system senses it and sends what we call neutrophils, to the area, white blood cells. And these Neutrophils are they release what you call reactive oxygen species, the word reactive, which was the word they really put the magic in what I was doing in the early days. Reactive to me is an electrical term, because it. It has enough charge that it can strip an electron, you know, it can take chrome off a bumper. It can do whatever. So anyhow, when you are naturally grounded, your body is flooded with these free electrons. You're at the same electrical potential as the Earth. What that means is you have, pro rata, a similar amount of electrons in your body as the Earth, and you and the earth, electrically, are one. It's invisible, but you are one. And so that's in nature, and that's our our animals who live in nature. And then, but we started wearing shoes in 1960 the sin we introduced those into the environment, the rubber soles, the rubber soles, the synthetic soles, the Nike type, synthetic type, athletic type shoes. They came in as an athletic a sports shoe. Before then we had tennis. They were kind of rubber. But anyhow, the the advent of the synthetic soul shoes. So when we put them on, we lost our ground, we lost our contact with the electrical surface charge of the earth, and we're no longer grounded. We lost our ground. And this ground what it does when these Neutrophils are released and they go and oxidize pathogens. And they do that by ripping electrons they release, you know, this reactive oxygen, and it is electrically charged, sufficient to pull an electron away from the pathogen structure interesting, and destroy it. That's how the immune system destroys pathogens or damaged cells. It oxidizes them, it burns them up. And that's all normal, and it happens every time, even when you breathe some, you know, certain air or whatever, there'll be pathogens. But your immune system is there, working all the time, constantly keeping, you know, keeping you safe and healthy and alive. The problem is in this process of releasing these radicals, if when you're grounded to the earth, these are positive charges. When you're grounded to the earth, the earth is, let's say, has negative charges. So when your body is grounded and connected to the earth, then this charge your body absorbs it. You are one with the earth equal. You are grounded, just like when you ground a refrigerator or anything else. So you're grounded. And what that means is your body now is or your refrigerator, whatever it's totally encased in this electrical shield, and that absorbs charge. So these neutrophils, when they release these radicals, they are electrically hot, and once they destroy the pathogen and it's gone, if there's any residual reactive oxygen species remaining, and you're ungrounded, then, I mean, normally, Earth's free electrons would be forever present in your body and absorb and mop up and clean up these reactive oxygen after the oxidative burst, after they've done their job, if there's any remaining, they get mopped up, and they're not a problem. If you are ungrounded and you have a shortage of free electrons, or a shortage of if you're not grounded, then these free electrons, or these remaining radicals are do with the thing they have to neutralize because they're electrically charged, so they're looking for something to ground themselves. Once the immune system responds and does, releases the oxygen, the oxidative burst, then any radicals that are left over, any of those radicals are left over. They're going to be neutralized in nanoseconds, interesting. And they're going to look for anything in the immediate area, and they're going to attack it and oxidize it. That's what's called autoimmune disease, autoimmune disorder. Autoimmune look, the immune system is doing what it automatically does. It automatically is producing reactive oxygen. It's cleaning up the debris or the damage or the pathogens or whatever. And then it usually unwinds, but it unwinds when you're connected to the earth, because the Earth is electrical. The immune system is electrical. Everything is electrical. First, you're an electrical being. First chemical. Second, if you don't have ground, and you've lost your ground, you put shoes on and you're great. You don't are not grounded anymore. So you lose your electrons, your negative charge, and now these radical. Are looking to ground, and so they'll steal an electron from an adjacent cell to the area and then damage it, sends out another message back to the immune system. Immune system produces another reactive oxygen species, another and then they repeat the process. So it's an ongoing so that's what that's why it's called inflammation, because you're these radicals. Are they? They're starting a fire. They're oxidizing. The word oxidizing means to burn, like when you light a match thick, it to a piece of wood. It's going to oxidize that wood,

Alex Ferrari 20:40
And the electrons that are coming from the earth counter balance that.

Clint Ober 20:43
Yeah, so in the body, in the body,

Alex Ferrari 20:45
In the body. So it the you have two movies, one called the earthing movie, and one called down to earth, a little short. Both are on Next Level Soul TV. As of this recording in those movies, I forgot which one there's actual scans of a body that before grounding and after grounding on a if it was an thermal imaging, yeah, thermal imaging, exactly. So you could actually see the inflammation in the body and then how it actually dropped. Yes, very. How fast was that when it dropped?

Clint Ober 21:18
Well, it's electrical. Is pretty fast. It's kind of like speed of light stuff, you know, it starts to work pretty quickly. You flip the light switch and you have, it's not a conversation of how long it took. No. And so when you touch the earth, first of all, you have, and I hate to get too technical, but Sure, but I think it's worth it. On the surface of the Earth is this layer of i and again, visualize this. You know, it's like there's a layer of electrons. And nobody's ever really seen these things because they're small, but we know they're there because of the way they they can be measured and but anyhow, so there's kind of like a lattice. I mean, it goes around the world. Everything is covered with this layer of free electrons. It has to do with the sun. It has to do with core everything, and the core of the earth, and all of this motion and everything so. But anyhow, so there's this layer on the surface of the Earth, everywhere and and most, all life came out of the earth.

Alex Ferrari 22:27
Yes, all life, actually, yes, it comes out of the earth, all of it, unless there's an alien that dropped in. I'm not sure.

Clint Ober 22:34
Exactly. But all life on this planet came into being in a grounded state. Yes, whether it's, you know, it's the amoeba, the fish, the whatever it all came it all maintained its natural connection with the earth. As long as you are grounded to the earth, we know that inflammation, chronic inflammation, in a human body cannot exist. If you get grounded and stay grounded, take your shoes off, get back in the mud, then you're going to be just like the animals who live outdoors. They do not manifest inflammation. Now, 80 to 100% of most diseases today, if you'll take that disease, like diabetes or like whatever it is, type it into Google or AI, chat, whatever, and then type in the word inflammation. At the same time your disease and inflammation, you'll see 100 or 1000 or 10,000 studies that are all related. These diseases are all manifest because you're no longer grounded. You have, I mean, there's a lot more to it than that, but one of the you don't have the the ground that puts out the fire, that prevents the fire. That's why we ground a refrigerator or a computer or anything else to prevent so it'll be electrically stable and shield is so that noise and stuff can interfere with the process, because everything in the body is electrical. Anything electrical out there is going to perturb sure charge in the body. And so it just goes on and on and on. And I could go down this rabbit hole. I have to be careful.

Alex Ferrari 24:19
So let me ask you, Clint, though, is there? So the grounding aspect is it, can it help with other other ailments, like anxiety or stress? Is that also part of inflammation as well, or not being because all I could tell you is this, when I go to the beach and I'm on the sand and I'm in the water, like, let's say, in the Caribbean vacation or something like that. The energy that you feel when you're on the ocean or near the ocean or in the sand, you feel so relaxed, you feel so chilled. And I know there's some ions are coming off the ocean and things, but is that also like, if people are super stressed, people are super anxious? Does grounding help that?

Clint Ober 25:00
First of all, over the last 25 years, with this earthing and how it all evolved, women are the ones who primarily respond to who recognize it and identify with it and say, oh my goodness, this makes sense. And then take their shoes off, spend a little time outdoors and say, oh my gosh, this works.

Alex Ferrari 25:24
Anyone who's married understands that women are much smarter than men.

Clint Ober 25:27
Of course, of course, usually tell a little story, because I'm speaking to women mostly, and but I tell a story that when I was young, I would I was a cowboy, I mean, that's a boy who sits on a horse and babysits cows. Make sure those water's Okay, make sure there's not any noxious weeds and growing in the pasture, or, you know, whatever. But just a cowboy, a boy who sits on a horse and plays a cow, not like the movies at all. It's not like Yellowstone. No, it's not quite, not quite like Yellowstone, but it was, it was fun. It's a good life, because it's, you're living in nature, and you're all the time. You're living with the heartbeat of nature. You see it all around you constantly, all the time, and you're connected to it. And But anyhow, sometimes when you're sitting, when you're playing cowboy out there on the horse, babysitting some cows, some years, you know you have drought and whatever, and you have no grass. You have it's at least 10,000 acres from the Native Americans or whatever, just so you can feed a handful of cows and but anyhow, some years it rains and it rains and it rains, and then you have lots of grass, right? And the next year, all of a sudden you have jack rabbits, and all of a sudden you have an explosion. They can have like a dozen per litter. And they can have like a half a dozen litters a year. So each Jackrabbit can produce like 100 babies. And so anyhow, this is normal phenomena. You have good grass. So now you get the lots of foods of the jackrabbits, they flourish, and they're everywhere. And then soon after you, you start seeing an abundance of coyotes. Of course, the coyotes eat jackrabbits. Jackrabbits heat the grass. So it's just a circle of life, circle of life. And so anyhow, the reason that I could tell this story because I like to relate it to women and women's lives, like as a jackrabbit is just going to sit there eating, and all day long, that's all they do, is eat and and what they produce, and and then here comes the coyote. It sneaks up on him, and as soon as he gets within a certain distance, the coyotes, I mean, the jack Rabbit's ears will go up like this, and then all of a sudden, they'll heighten their awareness. And then as soon as the coyote jumps, the jack rabbit will spring into the air, and it will and I was younger then, so I my distance is maybe not to be right, but anyhow, so it'll spring into the air, and then it'll zig zag back and forth across the pasture, and the coyote, were more like a dog, it'll just run straight after it. But the dog, I mean, the coyote, will soon run out of energy, and he'll just lay down and sit in their pant and the Jack will just run just a little bit further, but it'll keep one eye on the coyote, and then as soon as the coyote gets up and wanders off, then the jackrabbit will kind of have a visceral shake and what I call ground out the stress of the chase and and then it'll go back to eating like nothing ever happened,

Alex Ferrari 29:06
Right! He's not holding on to like, oh my god, I almost died.

Clint Ober 29:08
Yeah. Like we so this is your fight or flight system, sure. And today we live indoors. A typical woman gets up in the morning, ask kids, get the kids ready to go to school, whatever, and they're constantly creating charge or cortisol spike. Cortisol spike fighter, little fight or flight, miniature butterfly. It's called chronically elevated sympathetic response. But anyhow, so, so, anyhow, they're sitting and so every time something goes on. And then, if, you know, if they're married and have a husband there, so there's all this action going on in the morning. And so they're constantly being charged with cortisol, the fighter. Flight is releasing cortisol. That's what happened the rabbit, given the energy, was a big burst of cortisol. So here's a woman indoors, and it's everybody, but I'm just using this as an example, indoors and all of this act life activity going on, getting the kids off to school, everything, it's all producing miniature spikes of cortisol, so as the day goes on, and then she has to eventually get ready for herself, go to work whatever, drive to work in and she's ungrounded all the time, you know, in the car, wearing shoes, and in an office or in a building or whatever. Today they work at home. They're still on carpet indoors, whatever. But they never touched the dirt. Never touched the earth. And so this cortisol, the rabbit grounds it out, but a woman sits there and becomes charged with cortisol flooded our body becomes flooded with cortisol that creates a lot of anxiety and a lot of irritability. And that goes on, then it turns to all, you know, life, the stress of life and and then it goes on too long. Then it turns into fibromyalgia, then it turns into MS or lupus, etc, etc, cancer, you name it, there's a list of 100 of them have named versions. There's only one disease, according to the original researches, it's the immune system disorder. I mean dysfunctioning immune system. And we put different labels on all of it, because different people, based on their genetics and lifestyle, they'll manifest some will manifest this or that and what. But anyhow, the point of this story is that what I try to leave women with, especially is you have no option at the end of the chase. You've got to go outdoors. You've got to go out in the backyard. You've got to take your shoes off, you've got to find a place where you can sit and put your bare feet on the earth and drain the coyote juice, because if you don't, it will eat you up. That makes sense. It will manifest as an autoimmune related health disorder, and it'll be tagged under the name inflammation. But all of these, it doesn't matter. Cancer is inflammation related health disorder because it doesn't exist in nature. So these are artificial diseases. We these are, these are environmental health disorders because we changed our environment, right? We lost our ground, basically, basically, I'm sorry, did I say I did?

Alex Ferrari 32:38
No, that was a beautiful No. That was a beautiful explanation of that answer to that question, what are the most what are the most common misconceptions about grounding the people that you've come across?

Clint Ober 32:50
Well, most of all, they've never heard of it. There's that. And when you know I'm going to take my shoes off, I'm going to stand barefoot on the earth, I'll get my feet dirty. I'm not gonna do that,

Alex Ferrari 33:01
Right. Because we've been trained. No, we have. We've been programmed.

Clint Ober 33:04
Yeah, we've been programmed. We are all trained, just like our pets and just like everything else. You know, we are, but there. But the thing we're entrained in this.

Alex Ferrari 33:15
But the thing is, Clint, though, there are cultures around the world who are much closer to the earth, especially indigenous peoples, are definitely much more connected to the earth. But the richer the country, the more disconnected from nature we get sometimes.

Clint Ober 33:31
Well, that's what we did, you know, we accidentally. We didn't recognize it because it happened gradually.

Alex Ferrari 33:37
Of course, it's the frog in the boiling water.

Clint Ober 33:40
Yeah, exactly. You know, it's first of all, you know, I television. As soon as before television, you couldn't get us in the house, right? Oh, I know we'd rather sleep in the barn. We'd rather do anything, go build a cave down by the creek, you know, anything, but we wouldn't go in the house. There's nothing to do in a house

Alex Ferrari 33:58
Until television, and then it's not even get to video games, right?

Clint Ober 34:01
But back then, we had none of this, of course. But in my lifetime, I've seen, you know, we had radio, and I remember when we got telephone and and then when television came along, there was a big shift, because all of a sudden we we had to go, be indoors, to watch a show or a program show at that time, or the news or whatever. And so all of a sudden we moved indoors, and we were insulated from the earth. I mean, we're we were on. We were not grounded. Let's put it that way. We weren't in contact with the earth like we were all the time before, at least for at least, you know, a large portion of the day. And we had leather sole shoes, which are semi conductive and so very comfortable, but yes, yeah, just didn't have any of these, these, you had infectious. Diseases. They were different, really, really challenging. But the chronic stuff, yeah, the chronic inflammation, degenerative health disorders, like everybody is living with today, they did not exist. So anyhow, these are we changed our environment. We moved slowly, moved off the earth, and we want to endorse. We eventually invented plastics. We put them on carpets, those old green shag and so then all homes became carpeted. Then, you know, it just goes on the shoes. And then shoes, you wouldn't dare go outdoors. Those shoes everybody could afford. And shoes were a great invention. I mean, rubber sold synthetic shoes, because now everybody could afford them, and everybody could wear them and, and you didn't have to worry about them getting wet and getting ruined and, you know, all these things. But anyhow, so we shifted accidentally. We started shifting our environment with the advent of television. And so, you know, I look at my history in that industry and and so this is all this 30 years in ground, or 25 years in ground. It's my penance

Alex Ferrari 36:11
For deep grounding people,

Clint Ober 36:12
Yeah, for but anyhow. So undoing what, what I helped create there. But, but anyhow. So then all of a sudden, one day, we totally lost. We have no contact with the earth our children, you know? We're not going to let them go outdoors and get stand in a puddle and jump up and down, you know, right? When everything shifted so we changed our environment. So all of these modern health disorders are environmental health disorders. They're not related to genetics, or, you know, they're not related to genetics because, you know, my grandmother, my my 1000 grandmothers back, she's, I have the same genes. I am. Her up walking, you know, I'm a continuation. And that immune system that got all my progenitors here, and everyone else's, they survived all of this, the immune system adapted to all of this, and we had health. Now, infectious disease is a different issue, but I'm talking about degenerative, environmental, yeah, chronic and So anyhow, that's so, yeah, we was invited. So we were all suffering from environmental health disorders.

Alex Ferrari 37:22
So there's a story at the beginning in the you wrote the forward to this book, Mother Earth effect, there's a story that you don't share very often. What is that story of you know, I'd like to hear some real world stories that you've come across of the power of earthing and grounding in what it's done for people's lives.

Clint Ober 37:43
I think it all started in like 1980 I was with a bunch of trainers, you know, people that you I owned a corporation so and I used to hire a lot of trainers. They would come and, you know, energize the corporate staff or whatever, and so on. But I got to know these people, and I fell in love with that concept. And so one time, they invited me to come to one of their events down in Carlsbad, California, and and I was there. Now, in fact, Louise Hay was there with me at that show. And and a few others. I don't remember the names, but they robbed that group, and we were doing some breath work, and I didn't, didn't know much about any of this stuff. I wasn't a hippie or anything. I mean, I was. I grew up in Native American so I you know, we were hippies before hippies knew what a hippie was, fair enough, but, but anyhow, so, and that was another part of my background. I had this earthy Native American cultural stuff around me all the time, and that was the only thing I could identify with when I was young, because it felt real and but I don't when there's a lot more to that story, but, but against nature, it's that organic, yeah, very connected to the planet. Indians were still living in teepees when I was and when the government came in and built them houses, they eventually put the horses in the house and let them use the bathtub or whatever, and went back to their teepee. I mean, you can't just come in with the government and change. Don't go there Clint, yeah, I was at this event, and when you're around this group of people, they're kind of what you call New Age or. Yeah, they're, they're more into breaking out of convention, sure, and, and, and I was all ears, because, oh, this is stuff I had not known a lot about, but, but I connected it. But it was, I did. I identified with it through the Native American because what they were teaching is a similar thing. And this. Is years before these people were born, some of them. And so anyhow, I had gone through all their little programs and their sessions and had the fun and whatever. And anyhow they were doing this one blocks game. And, you know, different whole language here. But so we're doing this, what they call the breathwork session, where there was a connected breathing. And what it did is a good way to meditate and get out of the state, for sure, but I went into this kind of meditation type thing, and then all of a sudden I had this I always call them the blue people. I don't know who they are, but had an experience. Yes, I had an experience. And but it wasn't. It went on for many, many years. But anyhow, what I experienced was, or what I I had a kind of a dream, you know, and I these people started showing up, and they were, I think there's like half a dozen of them, and I remember, I can identify some of them now, I couldn't then. But anyhow, they would come and stand in front of me, just like we're sitting here right now. And they would come from over there and stand in front of me, and they didn't say a word, and they would just look at me like my father or my grandfather looking at me. And I expected me. I knew what to do. Expected me to go get it done, or to do something, you know, and then that one would move away, and another one would come up, and each of them would come up one at a time, and I don't remember after the third or fourth one anymore, but, but anyhow, I thought this was so strange, because they didn't say anything, and they were more like I would imagine a ghost to be, or something like that, and more ethereal type. And I thought, you know, this is really, really strange, and it, it really, I couldn't. I had nothing to reference to, nothing to say, Wow, this is that, or whatever. And except for the Native Americans, they always had visions or experiences, or whatever you want to call, call it. And I always thought that Native Americans, you know, you know, here's the earth and here's above, and they live somewhere in the middle. I mean, they're kind of a mystical people by nature. They're not. They think

Alex Ferrari 42:59
The blue people that you're talking about

Clint Ober 43:01
Native American Okay, yeah, Native Americans. So I had this context of the Native Americans, but these were not Native Americans. These were a different side of people, and couple of them could have been, I don't know, but, but anyhow, so I logged that, and I didn't think too much about it. And then about a month or so went by, maybe a little more, and I had, you know, more of an experience where one night, a woman, what I thought was a female was standing in the room, and again, this same ethereal blue whatever. And I thought, Well, I mean, first of all, it kind of shocked me. And again, same thing looked at me and expecting me to do something. I could. I could feel it, but I could. There were no words, expecting me to do something, and like she was waiting. And then I maybe a year went by. I don't remember the date scene, because this is back in the 90s, 80s, late in the 80s, 90s, somewhere in there. And so anyhow, then this dream type kept reappearing. It was like a reoccurring dream. But I noticed that the person was a little different each time. So it was like a different person. But again, it was no dialog. There was no nothing other than a feeling, you know, that somebody was waiting on me, and there was some urgency into doing something, and I had no idea other than I could just remember. Grandfather looking at me sometimes and saying, you know, not to say a word, but I knew what he meant. Oh, yeah. And so anyhow, then I had retired from the television communications industry, and I was intuitively and I was looking at a group of tourists get off of a bus, and they were wearing, like the white Nike type tennis shoe, and they were all looking looking kind of uniform. And intuitively, I asked myself, I wonder if there's a consequence to us humans no longer being naturally grounded because of these shoes, I'd always worn leather cowboy boots. That's just who I was. I couldn't my feet would sweat in the tennis type shoes, and so I always liked that breathing leather. And so anyhow, that's when I started the earthing. This all makes sense. So I started the, you know, asking questions, and I went home that night, and I had fixed an electrical problem with the computer that afternoon, and got to thinking about grounding, and I went home that night. I wasn't in the I was retired pretty much then. And so I went home that night and grabbed a voltmeter, and I started testing my body against the earth. And I started walking around my house on the carpets and everything, and with the shoes on. And then I notice all of these electrical charges, static electricity, sometimes 1000s of volts of static just getting off the couch, you know, or you're sitting on the bed, and you get up, and there's all these static charges from the foam and and the fabrics of the blankets. And so we're living in a sea of electrical charges. And I thought, well, this is interesting. I didn't think too much about it, but I all of a sudden I had this notion that I needed, because when I would stand barefoot on the earth meter would go to zero. And this is, you know, static charges and and also with the, you know, electric fields, the environmental electric fields, and but anyhow, they would all go to zero as soon as I grounded myself. And so that was like an aha moment. Okay, I didn't How come I spent 30 years in the industry and helped develop this grounding concept, and I never knew that my body was being sure charged by all of these electrical charges in, you know? And so I that night before the I went to the hardware store and I bought a roll of three inch wide metal, aluminum duct tape, heating duct tape, but it was aluminum, so metal, and I laid it across my bed, and I connected it to a wire, threw it out the to out the window, connected it to the ground, to the earth, and then I would measure myself when I was grounded versus not. And the you know, the meter would go do whatever it was, or the meters I had, and so at 50 to something like that, been retired for a couple years, and lot more to The story. But I'm just surfacing here. But I I lay down on the blanket or on the bed with my back against the the tape, and then I would touch the voltmeter and go to zero. Well, at that age, I I led a pretty rough life, active. Meaning, I skied for 30 years. I done everything. Grew up on a cow, read the rodeo circuit on the weekends, just for fun because there wasn't anything else to do. Woke up the next morning, the meter was right here beside me. But normally I couldn't sleep because I had too much pain. I had to take Advil, and I'd had back surgery. I had everything you can imagine, and and so I just had a pretty rough life. The typical 50 year old, you hit a wall, like, what happened? What happened.

Alex Ferrari 49:34
I said, Why is it 50 Clint? Why did it happen at 50, 49 I was solid, exactly. But the second I had 50, everything, just the wheels fell off, the dump truck.

Clint Ober 49:46
No, it's crazy, isn't it insane. But anyhow, so I woke up that next morning and I thought, What in the world is going on here? Because I don't fall asleep, yeah, I had to have a TV on. I had to have noise. I had Damn. Not much solid, yeah. And so, anyhow, I just said, wow, there's something really going on here, something significant. And I thought it was first of all, the electric fields, you know, and all these static charges that are on my body, and just living in a sea of this and so, but when you're grounded, it disappears, because you're part of the earth. The earth is infinitely large. I mean, it's huge, and they're infinitely small. So you're going to equalize and be a part of the earth, not the environment, right? And so anyhow, I thought, I got up and I just kind of stuttered. I said, How come? I don't know about this, you know, I'm a smart guy, you know, I spent 30 years in the communications industry where everything has to be grounded and protected and shielded. And then I just kept playing with it for a couple of days. And then I took and because I slept so well, I had a couple of buddies there, and I said, you guys got to try this, because nobody sleeps, nobody sleeps in the United States, and probably nowhere. But anyhow, not like we used to. We used to go to bed and we would boom, then we'd get up in the morning and go again. But, but anyhow, I grounded these other two guys about my age, and I said, You got to try this. I know you're going to think I'm nuts, but you got to try this. So I took some metal duct tape over the houses, put it on the bed wife, one of the wives got really upset with me, but anyhow, we grounded them, and sure enough, they both slept better. But about three or four days later, one of them said to me, he said, Do you think this could be having any effect on my arthritis, because I he had severe arthritis. And I said, No, I don't think so. I think it just helps you sleep better. Then all of a sudden, I realized that all of my chronic pain, I was gone, was gone, you know? And I thought, What is this? Can Is it real? I mean, is it whatever? And anyhow, so along the way, during this little project here, I I kept having this recurring dreams

Alex Ferrari 52:14
With it, with the blue people, with

Clint Ober 52:17
What I call the

Alex Ferrari 52:19
Avatar the Navi, essentially, yes,

Clint Ober 52:23
And I knew nothing about any of this,

Alex Ferrari 52:25
Of course, of course.

Clint Ober 52:26
So this was just like, you know, it's pre avatar. It was just whatever it was, sure, and at that time and but it again, was always a woman coming to me, and then now they were more like face to face, with you, with me and and I could start reading the expressions in the face, and the expression was always kind of like there was some urgency, or they were waiting for something, and I didn't know how to make any sense out of it. And then sometimes a year would go by, which is what happened here. And so then, and I probably had a dozen of these dreams at different times, and they were always spread out, and I couldn't make any sense of and almost wanted to dismiss it, and just because it was something new. And then, so then I went back, and then I said, Okay, I've got to figure this. Why touching the earth or being grounded to the earth reduces arthritic, arthritic pain, and it helps you improve your sleep, and it gets rid of these pain in the body. Now, back then, this is in 95 whenever, somewhere back in there, the word inflammation didn't come along until 2004, right? Nine years later, so, but we learned eventually that you can't have pain unless you have inflammation. First, oxidation of tissue makes sense, then you get pain. And pain is a manifestation telling you, hey, there's something wrong. Something's wrong. Get me out here. So I went to UCLA. I went everywhere University of Arizona. I went everywhere trying to get somebody to help me with this. Most people just laughed me off, like, you know, are you crazy? That's you expect us to believe somebody's going to put a nail in the ground tile, wire to it, and tie it around somebody's toe and they're going to sleep better. Those are the exact words

Alex Ferrari 54:43
I mean when you say it like that. It makes sense, though they would treat you this way Clint.

Clint Ober 54:47
Yeah, but I understood very early on. They knew nothing about electrical. They had no idea their bodies were electrical. They had no idea that ground earth. Every. Thing was electrical. Everything was chemical. Everything was a, you know, Alchemy and, and like it is today, everything is a pill for every ill, you know, and, but the body is not that way. It's It's electrical. It's an electrical piece of equipment. It's the most electrical thing in the environment. There's nothing more electrical than a human body. Every single cell in the body is electrical. Every single cell and all the cells communicate with each other, organs, brain, everything, heart, everything is electrical. And how they pronounce you dead, the electrical stops. Then you are dead. Yeah, there's more current than you no more current, no more energy. Energy being the magic word. Did my first study in Ventura, California. Took 60 people. I had some people down UCLA, helped me pull together how to design a study and do it. And took 30 people and put them on, made these little ground planes, which was just a mat that was maybe 2430 inches long by 12 inches wide, a piece of felt that I had bonded some conductive material to ESD, electrostatic discharge type material, and then I connected them to A wire and whatever. And 30 of those subjects were hard, grounded to the earth, and 30 of them were placebo, grounded. And we were just looking at sleep, and you feel better, you know. And we didn't know what we were doing, because it was the everybody said, Well, you have to have more information in order for anybody to believe this, you have to have a dozen studies or whatever since the number 30, you know. But when we got the results back, everybody started talking about all the benefits that they had had, like TMJ would disappear, was TMJ. TMJ, it's a jaw. Oh, a jaw, you know, clinched,

Alex Ferrari 57:04
Oh, a grinding,

Clint Ober 57:06
Grinding, yeah, got it. Arthritis disappeared. Some people, their vision improved. Everybody, their skin color looked good there. I mean, just within, they were solid. I mean, it was just some people, you wouldn't even recognize them, because this was a study that went on for six, eight weeks, and you would see them and you meet them at the door. This is not the person I grounded, you know, or whatever. All of a sudden, we had people telling us that not only did pain go away and they slept better, but they the most common thing I heard from women, I got my life back. Interesting. I got my life back meaning, when you're in pain, you do not have a life.

Alex Ferrari 57:49
No, of course, not. No, no, you're everything's about pain.

Clint Ober 57:52
And if you have a, you know, a degenerative health disorder, you're it's all about your life is about docs and scripts and visits and your whole life changes. We learned that this was like, Wow, this nut doesn't just affect pain and sleep, it affects almost everything in the body. So then I ended up going down to San Diego, and I met a anesthesiologist, medical doc, who took an interest in what I was doing. And he said, I don't think there's anything to what you're doing, but he said, We've got to, let's, if you want to put up the time and the money, I'll, we'll do a study and and we'll see what happens. His concept was, all proved that you're wrong, but it wasn't about proof, because it didn't make any sense to anyone, right? And so anyhow, after the we grounded like a dozen women for, I believe, you know, six weeks, I mean, a dozen women for, like, six weeks and and then we measured cortisol. So we would take these saliva type things, and we get them to swab them, and then we would do heart rate, do various things on them. But anyhow, it was really to measure cortisol. And we measured the cortisol every four hours, for 24 hours, then we grounded them for six, eight weeks. And then we went back. A nurse went back and did the cortisol saliva again, and then they sent us to the lab. They froze them, sent them to the lab immediately, and afterwards, when we got the results, everybody was shocked, because before everybody's circadian cortisol, 24 hour profile of cortisol was like spaghetti. You put them all together and looked like a bowl of spaghetti. They were all over the place. And when we grounded them, the ones who were hard grounded, and we looked at theirs six, eight weeks later, and theirs was all in a uniform profile. These women did not know each other. They were different parts of San Diego area, and you know, so the cortisol would start out around very low at like five, let's say, Yeah, midnight, sure. And and it would go along like this. And then 4am it was begin to spike. And then it would be very high, and then it would drift down throughout the next until I got until 20. So you had a 24 hour profile. So it started near zero, then it went all the way up, and at 4am and then it drifted down all day, and at midnight or around eight o'clock, 10 o'clock at night, it started to drop off and then and so what we learned from that study is one, if you're not sleeping well, it's because you have elevated cortisol. Cortisol is fight and flight. If you're thinking about something, it's elevating cortisol, and you're not going to sleep that. This is what this is like, having one eye open like a bear in the woods. You know? Yeah, coyotes in the woods, sitting there.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:09
You're that Jack rabbit, constantly looking

Clint Ober 1:01:11
Exactly what it's all. That's how I related to all this, because I had that net nature background in all of this, sure. And so anyhow, everybody looked at it and they said, Wow, this is totally impressive. So what is happening at 4am that's causing cortisol even in the grounded? Yeah, it was. These were all, all grounded, not placebo, yeah, these were just hard grounded, and they were drawing, measuring cortisol blood. So anyhow, so what happened at 4am that everybody's cortisol went up, they didn't know each other, and they weren't living in the same house, you know, and they were, you know, whatever. And so then I would have probably been one of the only people on the planet that would have been able to figure this out, but because I remember the Western Union in the old days, in the telephone would only work certain hours of the day depending on where the sunlight was, okay, it's true. Western Union, when it went dark on one side of the mountain, there's no more signal. That makes sense. Okay. So anyhow, what's happening is that, as the Earth is turning like this, you're fixed to the earth, and you're turning with the earth. So we have a 24 hour cycle. We have sunlight, and we have midnight, near darkness. And so anyhow, and so you have these four, I call them eddies there. You know, on the Sun side of the Earth, there's four eddies of energy. It's created by the sunlight and, and it's, you know, the heat the there's no heat coming from the sun. There's only radiation coming from the sun, and it heats up the earth and energizes, and it creates these electrical, energetic eddies and and in the center of them, like it, you know, at noon they would be the highest. So it goes on and on, but it's, but it's a natural phenomena, and it's been measured for a couple 100 years, but not by modern science. There's no reason to and so, but, you know, so at 4am the earth is at a certain point, and the sun is starting. The energy of the sun from the sun, sun is constant, so it's starting to heat the earth, and then all of a sudden, there's energy moving on the surface of the earth. And that's what they were. You're measuring the increase in the amplitude of Earth's electric fields, and it's impacting. So what it meant to me was I weren't, was not expecting anything like that. And I don't, I rarely ever even talk about it, but it was like, Okay, there's something bigger going on here. Because I didn't know. We didn't know what we were doing. We were just experimenting, trying to find out what was going on. And so all of a sudden, now I recognize that, okay? We're connected to nature, you know, I mean, more so than we ever realized.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:07
And it's cycles, yeah? And it's cycles, which is important,

Clint Ober 1:04:10
Yeah, the cycles are extremely important. And the other annual cycles, yeah. And, you know, all these things in work, our body is attuned to every one of them,

Alex Ferrari 1:04:19
And that's why, well, and for people listening something or watching something that I think we all can understand is when the moon is full moon, the tides are being pulled back. And as any police department anywhere in the country or the world would say, on a full moon night, there's more calls, there's more craziness, because it does mess with us, yeah, so that there are forces in the universe that are pulling from

Clint Ober 1:04:45
Absolutely and and we used to be in harmony with all of it. We it was a kind of like a dance, you know, an orchestra, and you're, and you're, you're, you're living in harmony with. It. I mean, you're, you're dancing to this, to these rhythms and, and you see it in the natural world. I mean, it's just all the ones,

Alex Ferrari 1:05:10
It's the it's the beauty and the perfection of nature, yeah.

Clint Ober 1:05:13
But in, when we moved in the house, we know is the TV screens, or this, or the cell screens, but, but anyhow, so, So anyhow, we learned that, okay, there's a profound effect. So that led to more studies. And everybody got started, getting excited and and we, and we ended up doing like 20 peer reviewed published studies, maybe, except for around 30. Now, we have some really nice ones coming out in the next year, maybe, and on ATP and the production of mitochondria, how all that works, and what happens when you reduce the inflammation in the body, then it increases ATP and so on. So it has to do that explains the energy that these women are reporting. Got my life back, got my energy back. So. So anyhow, we ended up doing study after study, and then along the way, the guys come along said, Oh my God, we got to get this to market, because we're all going to get rich or whatever. And I wanted nothing to do with a business. I was pretty much retired. I wanted to do the research I want. I was so infatuated with all of this, I thought, Oh, my God, this is, this is really, this is what life's all about. The problem was, when you discover something that, and one day you wake up and you realize, Wow, this is the most exciting thing I've ever experienced. Then all of a sudden you realize nobody knows anything about nobody's ever heard of it, and they all think you're nuts. Then all of a sudden, so you have the best day of your life and the worst day of your life all in the same day. Yep. And so I have for 25 years, one by one, sometimes as many as 100 sometimes as many as 1000 sometimes the largest group was like 1500 people that I've grounded for up to three days at a time, at conventions and things like that. And so my whole life is and mission has been, I need you can't explain this. It's not believable. Nobody alive today can believe this or make any sense of this, except for a handful of old timers. And so you they have to experience it. If I ground a woman, she can feel it, because women have thinner skin than men do, and they're more sensitive. They're more electric. They're sensitive to everything, and especially to the children. And they're just different people than we are. Yes, they are so, anyhow, they're, they're more. So they feel grounding. They feel earthing. You put a faster than a man, oh, yeah, because men's got to think about it, yeah, there's, that's very it's just for true. I'd know about,

Alex Ferrari 1:07:53
Well, yeah, that, yeah, we're, we're much more on a lot. Most men are more logical in the mind sense, and women are much more connected to the earth, connected to their into the energies and a feeling of it all. Yeah, absolutely,

Clint Ober 1:08:05
Women has to feel it.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:07
Yeah. I've been around women my entire life. I know.

Clint Ober 1:08:09
No, they they can feel what's out here. They can feel more sensitive. They're more sensitive. Yeah, they can feel everything. I mean, feeling is, is they're much more dependent on it, because of the children, because of the family, because everything goes on in life, and men are, you know, go fight the bear and bring home the bacon, right? You know,

Alex Ferrari 1:08:31
I have never tried bear bacon, but I hear it's good.

Clint Ober 1:08:36
Bear on you wouldn't have a bacon.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:38
You just run as best you can so,

Clint Ober 1:08:42
So anyhow, we ended up doing all these studies and and putting together a body of evidence to help people understand what this was right. But what I learned along the way, the only way I can ever really convince anybody they have to experience it. So earthing is an experiment, an experiential thing. I can talk about it all day long, but until I get your feet on the earth, or I get your feet on a mat that's connected to the earth, you're not going to accept it.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:11
The now, with this, all the stuff that we've been talking about, Clint, there's two ways of doing this to my understanding. One is a freeway, which is essentially taking your shoes off and spending more time on your grass, outside, on your lawn, in nature, but connecting your physical body with nothing in between to the earth. That's correct. That's the free version. And there's a lot of benefits to that. Just even going out to your backyard and lying there or hanging out in reading a book, there is a connection there, yes, and then the other way is through grounding products, or earthing products, where you can connect to a mat. Because every house, and I'm kind of breaking it down for everybody, every house, has to be grounded, generally speaking. So most, most houses, yeah. So every plug that's in a socket, every socket in the wall that's connected to, connected to the earth ground, it's grounded because of lightning storms and other reasons like that. So you can, in your home, connect to, to the plug and be grounded.

Clint Ober 1:10:16
Yeah, you have safely earthing port.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:18
Yes, you have an earthing port, if you will, ground port. So, and then you've created a company which you didn't want to create, but you did, but it's been, it's done a tremendous amount of good for the people in the world, because your products are actually good quality. There's a lot of knockoff products. There's not a lot of people who jumped into the space because they saw dollar signs. But your, your mission is very different than those.

Clint Ober 1:10:39
Yeah, we, I have to tell you how the company came into being. Only take a second, sure, but when we were doing our original studies, we had to make these ground planes. And the ground plane, to me, is you're connecting something to the Earth with a wire or whatever, and you have a plane, or you have a mat, or whatever we want to call it. So in order to do our studies, we had to build these ground planes, and sometimes we would use electrode patches, because of just different things and and then. But as time went on, everybody who was in our studies that were the subjects that were actually grounded, they all wanted to take the mats home with them, because it's not that I knew what they experienced, sure. And someone was just a half hour of grounding. And a lot of our studies were very short, because it's so fast, right? I mean, it's going to reduce inflammation, it's going to put the fire out in minutes, and then the healing, you know, that may take a little longer, but it'll stop the inflammation rather quickly, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:11:42
It takes away the thing that's agitating the situation, allowing the body to then heal,

Clint Ober 1:11:49
Yeah, reconnects the ground so your ground source, so that it stops the inflammation,

Alex Ferrari 1:11:55
But it put it and by the by stopping the inflammation, it allows the body to do what it's naturally built.

Clint Ober 1:12:00
It just lets the body do what it normally does,

Alex Ferrari 1:12:02
Because, if not, and just so people understand, when you have inflammation, the body's constantly dealing with the inflammation, trying to put it out, trying to deal with it. That's why you don't have a life, correct? So it's always trying to figure things out. You pull the inflammation out, then it goes, Oh, there's the damage. Let me go fix it. But while the inflammation is there, yeah, it's got to deal with the fire before it's to rebuild the house.

Clint Ober 1:12:23
That's the problem. Yeah, he's sitting there and building the fire. But anyhow, these, these ladies would that were grounded, or the the guys, we ended up mostly with women, because they were the ones who responded, and they were the easiest to to get to participate in studies, and so on. All of a sudden, these women started wanting these pads that were the grounded subjects. And then as time went on, some of them started coming back and they would want another pad. Well, we didn't have them because we made them up as we were going, you know, on the studies. And then one day, we recognized because there were so many people wanting these mats, and we would tell them what to do, tell them, you know, build it. And if this weren't, if this weren't free, if this weren't something that you could go outdoors and do for free, I would not be sitting here. I didn't start this out as a business to go make money, right? I did this because it was so important, because it profoundly affected my health and everybody's health that I was able to play with. Finally, we said, Okay, we have to do something, because we can't be bothered with this indoor studies. We have to. So we created we sat down one day and we said, what is the number one thing we can do to give these people something they can take home, but not expect them to have to do anything, because we knew from getting getting people that comply, ain't gonna happen. They'll do something for three or four days, and then they'll drop off and and they'll never do it again. And, and so we just said, Okay, let's make a sleep mat, because we were playing with some sleeping study. Then says, Make a mat they can put on their bed, connect it to the earth, and then all they have to do is put it on the bed one time. Then after that, just put the sheet over top of them. Go home and go to bed like you. You don't have to think about you have to do anything. It's just do what you normally do, no work, no cost, no ongoing anything. And then by connecting to the earth puts the fire out, and that allows the immune system to return the body to normal, which it does. I don't care whether you got not on the car, so I don't care what you got. The body only the immune system only knows one thing, return the body to normal, you just have to get grounded and stay grounded like you were throughout time. But this modern world, we're paying a high price.

Alex Ferrari 1:14:50
I was going to ask you about something in regards to and I'm not this is a bit about grounding. But also, I've heard so much about the electric um. Um, the electrical waves that come off of electrical devices that, and I forgot what that, what that kind of electricity in the air is called, is it all the UV or EV or,

Clint Ober 1:15:09
Well, you're talking about EMF.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:11
EMF. Thank you. That was EMF. EMF signals when you're grounded. Is that help? And is there anything that you could do to kind of deal with the EMF signals, like from the phone, from the television,

Clint Ober 1:15:22
The reason you ground everything in this studio is to get rid of, you know, the 60 Hertz noise, or especially in the medical world, yeah, everything in a hospital is grounded and shielded. Cable TV systems are shielded in order to block out all of this noise. But they have to be, you know, so. But anyhow, so when you put your bare feet on the earth, the earth is has this electrical surface charge which you put your feet on, your body absorbs that, and it's negative. So now any EMF or static charge in the environment, or any kind of an electrical, normal electrical thing that would be in the household or that would be in a normal environment, so now you are electrically one in the same as the Earth, as big as the Earth. So there's no charge out there that can perturb the earth in by, you know, a lightning strike will perturb the earth, and it'll ricochet back and forth and go around and whatever, until it dissipates. But, but the point is, as long as you're connected to the earth, then you are shielded from all of these environmental, electrical noises. It doesn't no matter what they are, the EMFs are very minor. If EMFs were the thing that killed people, we would all be dead. And there would be some there. You would go to the Morgan, there would be people who died from EMF there is no such thing that's just a bunch of guys running around with meters that are all crazy about, you know, making a living charging 1000 $2,000 to come into your home and tell you that your lamps are radiating electric fields. Well, everything, like everything, radiates an electric field. This body, this heart, everything radiates electric fields. And they're all in and they all perturb each other. So anything that's out there, like a, you know, the average voltage on a static charge, and you're getting up off the couch is a few 1000 volts. An EMF is maybe a couple of volts, you know. But there's, there's electromagnetism and all of this noise and all of these issues that are out there. Nobody really understands it. Nobody's really educated. They have a volt near and say, Oh, my God, an EMF moves the meter. Yes, it moves the meter. Everything moves the meter. You just have to have the right meter. But the bigger, bigger problem out there for everybody is these static charges that are created from all of the fabrics and the dissimilar fabrics, and then wearing the shoes, and you're holding these charges on your body. So your body is forever charged. So as soon, so as soon as you ground your body, you can feel that charge dissipate. You can feel that, you know, so, but it's, you know, it's like, the question you're asking, is the EMF going to harm anybody? Yeah, and it's, if it does, it's grounding help there, there are, there are lots of guys. There are hundreds of guys out there, even doctors that are going out there and say, Oh, my God, you can't do this because EMF. So go through you and they have no background in electromagnetism. They do not understand hardly any of this. It's just a voltmeter and, oh, my God, they and they use it to go scare women, to get them to pay money, to buy a product, to buy their services, or to come in and rewire their lamps, or whatever it's it's really, I don't have anything very friendly to say about it, because I have too much background electromagnetism.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:05
Well, that's thank you for clearing that up, because I had really little understanding.

Clint Ober 1:19:08
But and they will if you mention I try not to even mention them ever, because they are rabid. I mean, they are that come after me, like a like the coyote coming after the rabbit. And I just try to not give it any airtime or voice, because it doesn't serve anyone. Got it other than it upsets a lot of people, because somebody thinks differently than

Alex Ferrari 1:19:29
Well, I know that with this show, trust me, I know that with this show,

Clint Ober 1:19:32
I don't really care what anybody does out there, and I just don't, I mean, they all attack earthing and grounding because, oh, my God, you know, because they made a living. And here's one of the problems that happened, is, before I got involved in this, the people that were involved in the electric fields and all of that stuff, they were about magnetic fields. It's not electric, not electric. And it was because of the canisters that were on somebody's home in Denver, Colorado, and and one of her child had leukemia. And so all of a sudden, this woman was very good at energizing even the NIH and everybody else. And they went out, and did you know, spent hundreds of millions or not, maybe 10s of millions of dollars doing research on electric fields, and they ended up, after 1015, years of all this research, that there is a slight chance that the childhood leukemia could be caused from electric fields,

Alex Ferrari 1:20:37
Or like being bait next to a tower. Electrical tower got it.

Clint Ober 1:20:41
And so anyhow, there was no definitive This is the cause of childhood leukemia. But anyhow, that's that's the story. So anyhow they I was doing the original earthing study, and some of these people had found out what I was doing, and they invited me to a meeting in San Diego, and they wanted me to come and explain what grounding and all of this stuff to them, and I was sitting there in their meetings listening to them, and they are talking about how you have to, you know, to eliminate Magnetic fields, you have to do ABC, whatever, put it fancy shielding, fancy tinfoil hats No, yeah, well, I'm joking, yeah, no. I mean, that's what a lot of them promote, you know. And I mean things like that, but, but anyhow, you had to use a certain type of mule metal and various things in order to block these magnetic fields? Well, most people, there's not a chance you could afford to block the magnetic fields, because the magnetic fields go from here to Mars and back, you know, I mean, the the Van Allen belts, the, of course, you know, everything that's magnetic it will go through brick. Oh, easily it will go through anything. So magnetic fields, what are you doing out here, trying to, you know, protect yourself. I said it's Meg, it's electric fields that are the active component, right? Magnetic fields are constant, and electricity has to be running and for them to exist. But the electric field the minute you the minute you go in and you turn on the Energize your home with the power switch. Then the electric fields are going to go throughout the circuit, and they're going to sit there until you flip a switch or whatever, and then they're going to go to the lamp or the toaster or whatever. So the electric field is constant. And so they got really upset. And then I said, You know what you do there is kind of like we do in the communications industry or the any other medical industry or anything you ground, or you and shield everything, the cables, everything to prevent interference. And I said, if you really want to protect and protect the human body, then what you have to do is you have to ground it, because it the skin acts as kind of a Faraday cage. And when it's connected to the earth, it's one of the same electrically as the earth, and the electric fields can't penetrate and go into the body, through the body. That's all nonsense. That is absolute nonsense. What they have been proposing out there for years. And you know, if now they come out and they Well, this is grounding. This is they don't know what the hell they're talking about. And you cannot educate them, right? Because now you've tried for 25 years. And finally, I said, you know, this is not what I'm interested in. Is reconnecting the human body to the earth so it can equalize and maintain earth potential the same amount of electrons as the Earth has, so that the immune system can function like it normally does, by producing radicals that oxidize pathogen and any remnants left over from those pathogens, from those radicals can automatically, instantly be at speed of light, be instantly neutralized by Earth's primal antioxidants.

Alex Ferrari 1:24:22
Wow! Clint, this is, this is such a fascinating conversation, and I appreciate you going deep down the rabbit hole that one's now, or the jack rabbit hole.

Clint Ober 1:24:30
And now I don't get a lot of people upset, and I don't mean to upset anybody. I don't really care what these people do,

Alex Ferrari 1:24:36
Right. I understand, and it's the point is that what you're proposing. There's always look people don't like things we talk about on the show. Sometimes it's just the way. It is just um, it's just that's human beings. But just on a logical standpoint, if you heard this from a first time, hearing these con these, both these concepts, um, being closer to nature, being connected to the earth. These are very basic things. I'm not asking you to put a tinfoil hat on. I'm not asking you to in shield yourself in plastic bubbles with metal on you, like this. This is very basic. Well, this is natural nature. Walk around on barefoot, on grass. We did for millions. It's very basic stuff. So if other people have other concepts or other ideas, that's fine. It's fine, but this is just what you're proposing, and this is what you have scientific studies, peer reviewed studies, about. So that's all. But I wanted to ask you, I'm gonna ask you a few rapid fire questions Clint.

Clint Ober 1:25:36
I wanna answer. I wanna please finish out your story about about the blue people? Yes, please. So anyhow, I was going along, doing all this research, doing all these studies, building these ground planes, and then all of a sudden, one day, I had the dream, and and along the way, there's some of the earlier dreams, I could see pain in people's eyes, these women's eyes, that was what really got my attention towards the end. But they were all experiencing pain, grimacing type pain, and then I kept doing what I was doing, because that was something that happened here and there. Whatever I didn't, had no connection to my life, or what i anything i knew about. And then, anyhow, but I kept going on this grounding, and I kept going and going and going. And then all of a sudden, there's a little more of the sword, but there. But all of a sudden, one night, I had this vivid, very vivid dream. And here was this woman who was laying there on the pillow, sleeping peacefully. And that's when I connected the dots and realized that all of this, everything I had done in the last 25 years, right? It was not anything came out of my brain, other than I had a background in electrical phenomena, grounding and stabilizing an electrical environment, and preventing static charges like we have in our homes and stuff, and just preventing that in your environment or medical environment, whatever. And but it just like a light bulb went off, and I finally realized that this this whole thing in the background was pushing me or pulling me or whatever somebody because anything I ever wanted along the way, anything I ever wanted showed up. It didn't show up before I needed it. Didn't show up after I needed it. It showed up right on time, the right the researchers, the doctor, the everybody who was involved. And there's a lot of people involved with this over the last 25 years, every one of them showed up with the right message or the right talent or the right whatever, at the right time to move this project forward. I'm kind of an introvert. I mean, you're not going to see me out there. That's, you know, it's like Olivia on the book. So I would never have done that. That's not me. I knew it needed to be done. And another feeling, I supported her to get it done, yeah, but that's not me to go do this. It's not me to produce an earthing movie. It's not me to produce the earthing book. All these people who helped write the book, Stevenson, not everybody who came along, came along on time, played their part, and most of them left. And half of them, you know, are

Alex Ferrari 1:28:34
Doing other things. Yeah, it's fascinating. And we were talking about this a little bit before we started. The conversation is that you and I are both conduits for whatever is coming through us. Because just like your story and my story, it doesn't make sense. From where we came from, not believable. It doesn't if you would write this as into a movie, you'd be like, This doesn't make sense. But as you start to look back, you go, Oh, it makes all the sense in the world that that's all my background in the film industry, doing what I'm doing with next level soul TV and the content that we're creating. You and your in communications and electronics, doing what you're doing. Of course you can see right? But it didn't make sense an

Clint Ober 1:29:19
Endless background of the Native Americans, and, oh yeah, the whole thing, all that stuff. It just all unfolded one day, like, oh my goodness, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:29:30
And look in the same thing happened to me when I was, you know, I would be, you know, in Hollywood trying to get a movie made and, and I kept, you know, getting into the room with the big celebrities, or the big producers and the, you know, billion dollar this or that. And I would always just, oh no, oh no, it didn't constantly, and I would go, why? Why I'm good enough to get in the room? Why can't I get this thing? And now, looking back, oh, I wasn't supposed to. I needed to stay outside of the system to be able to do. What I'm doing now, same for you.

Clint Ober 1:30:01
Yeah, I'm totally outside the box. The box is out in there, you know, the rabbit patch, exactly.

Alex Ferrari 1:30:10
So I'm gonna ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests look kind of rapid fire questions, okay, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Clint Ober 1:30:17
Well, to me, I've been blessed because I've never really worked for anybody. I've I've never worked for money. Let's say, I mean, I would like to have it, and sometimes need more, sometimes have too much, and draws the right, wrong people, whatever. But money is never so what's important to me is to be able to get up in the morning and what's on my brain. I can go spend all day or do whatever free deals in here. I'm not going to go out and do anything unless it feels right in here. It ain't going to happen.

Alex Ferrari 1:30:55
Yeah, fair enough. If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Clint. What advice would you give him?

Clint Ober 1:31:02
The first thing I remember little Clint was asking the question, how does the grass know to grow

Alex Ferrari 1:31:12
Little Clint was deep,

Clint Ober 1:31:13
Yeah. And I would take, you know, like a little stick, and pick a ant up and watch the ant, and look at the ant see, how does he know? How does he know to be? How does he you know? What is this all about?

Alex Ferrari 1:31:29
How do they build this? How do they build that little ant pile and all that?

Clint Ober 1:31:32
Yeah. And then just his nature. It was just and then with the Native Americans, I was my best friends growing up, were and they lived in this ethereal world. I mean, they don't live in the world that you or I know. They don't understand ownership. They don't understand any different today, but back then, it was all. They were much more connected. Yeah, it was a magical world. I mean, it was real, but you had to be there and be a part of it. You couldn't accept it. But anyhow, so I would

Alex Ferrari 1:32:06
What would you tell little Clint?

Clint Ober 1:32:07
I would say, stay the course.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:10
Fair enough. Fair enough. Stay the course. How do you define God or Source?

Clint Ober 1:32:14
God or source is I love that one. I grew up in very religious environment, and, and I was, I don't remember, but I kind of escaped that belief system. And they're all belief system. That's one thing I learned, is everybody, all these, everybody's Right, exactly something is wrong,

Alex Ferrari 1:32:36
Just they're just stories. Yeah, they're just stories. It's what story you believe it, but they're all stories,

Clint Ober 1:32:41
Yeah, and, but they're all Joseph Campbell was somebody I just totally love. I just, I mean, he was one, one of the, one of the people that I guess would be my idol, I guess, yes, yeah. And great philosopher, yeah. But I and he understood there were, like, you know, the Native American world, in the US, those indigenous cultures and and I could connect to all of that. And it was just very real to me. And I was just, I every word. But anyhow, Joseph was, he's the one who helped me more than anybody. But, but beyond that, I learned from early on Native American, that everything is connected. Everything is one thing. We're all, you know, if you look at the Earth from space, you know, here's Earth, and here's everything that's going on there, and whatever, and we're all doing whatever, but it's all one little thing, one little it's a globe, yeah, a microcosm in the universe. And, but anyhow, so and we're all energy, we're all electrical in nature, and, and we're all connected electrically. I mean, you and I are coupled up right now, our energy fields are coupled up and and, you know, everybody that we interact with, we're all but anyhow, so it's, it's synergy amongst all of us. It's, I think that if there, I'm not sure how to say this, but there is a God, but that God is us, that God is me, that God is you. I mean, of course, because we all create this in harmony with each other, and we have from the beginning of time, and we will long past our time, but we are all forever molding and creating and changing. It's not made in seven days. It's made in whatever I mean, we all make it up every day. I love that answer and. Down, and we all are each other beautiful. I can look at you and I know what's going on in you and what's going on in everybody. We're all doing the same thing, yep, trying to find who we are, trying to make our little world a little better place, or contributing to the bigger world, or whatever it is. I mean, we're but we're all it's synergy. It's the energy that connects us all together that is God,

Alex Ferrari 1:35:27
Beautiful answer. And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Clint Ober 1:35:31
For all my life, I've always felt I had to have purpose. And the thing that I learned most of all early on. And I didn't have a big education or anything. I had very little education other than real life, and because that's the way it was back in those days, sure, but I wanted to learn, and then what I wanted to learn, and then when I once, I learned something or mastered it, experienced it or incorporated it into my being, and I, you know, was authentic, I guess is the word, then I wanted to be able to help other people who mean, to share, to be, to be a contributor. I didn't want to take from i I've given away most anything I've ever made and I've but it's not about taking. I don't I know that when I die, I'm gonna, the only thing I'm not gonna take anything from this earth.

Alex Ferrari 1:36:37
There's no u haul attached to the hearse,

Clint Ober 1:36:40
So it's internal. It's what's in here. And I had a near death experience when I was around 50 and and I knew the death was real. I didn't know it was real before then

Alex Ferrari 1:36:53
That death was real, or that the other side was,

Clint Ober 1:36:56
No, the death was real, okay, that I'm not going to be here forever.

Alex Ferrari 1:37:00
Oh, you got a wake up call?

Clint Ober 1:37:02
Yeah, I had a wake up call,

Alex Ferrari 1:37:04
Yeah. Because when you as you're going through this whole little journey, you don't even think about the day that you're not going to be here anymore. Because I think that's a defense mechanism that we humans have, yes, we've created to have to handle what's going to happen. Because we, all, every one of us except the vampires in the audience, are going to eventually die. It's part of the circle of existence.

Clint Ober 1:37:25
Well, yeah, it's, it's the it's, it's like, there's no yesterday, there's no tomorrow. What there is is us right now, creating, co creating, co creating. Yes, this experience

Alex Ferrari 1:37:41
Beautifully said my friend, where can people find out more about you? Pick up the book the Mother Earth effect, and the book earthing, and get real earthing products if they're interested.

Clint Ober 1:37:52
The earthing book, which I use, what I don't know how many copy published in 23 urban language, sure now and it's we were well over a million, many, many years ago. So I don't know how many books have been in circulation or anything, but anyhow, it's never been really promoted. It's a one of those things that is people get it and read it and pass it along or get more of them and pass them out and whatever. And but anyhow, the earthing book is a good place if you're a reader. It's a good resource to capture the essence of this. And it's on Amazon, obviously, and anywhere on Amazon or whatever. And I think we pass them out with some of the products we send out to but anyhow, so the the the earthing, the down to little down to earth, 15 minute video that's been seen by a few 100 million people over the last, since 2017 I think.

Alex Ferrari 1:38:55
Yeah, it's playing on next little soul TV.

Clint Ober 1:38:56
And it's just never been, it's been everybody and their brothers copied it and put it in different languages and different whatever, and we had no idea how many whatever, but anyway, it's a 15 minute video that really allows you to get it okay, and we were totally surprised when we released it in like 90 days later, There's near 100 million views or something.

Alex Ferrari 1:39:22
It went viral because it's something that it's obviously something that the world is needing. Yeah, it just like, and I'll have a link in the show notes and the in the video description as well on YouTube for links to the products and stuff like that. So Right? And Clint, do you have any parting messages for the audience? Any parting messages for the audience?

Clint Ober 1:39:41
Well, anyhow, the earthing movie on you know, or however you want to deal that, but, but that kind of stuff, you know, the parting shot is, no matter how this sounds to anybody, you have an obligation to yourself, because. If you don't have health, you know your life is going to be about the disease, unhealth. And unhealth is not very pleasant, right? And you know, I'm I'll be 81 in July. I can get up, move around, I can walk, I can run, I can walk the dog. Sure, I have pain, you know anybody? And I've had pain my whole life. But after I started getting grounded, after I learned about grounding for myself, you know, within just a few months, I had totally, I mean, things that I thought I was going to go to my grape with have disappeared and but but the main thing is, if you have pain in your body, your body, you have inflammation. If you want to know what inflammation is, you can Google it, or you can whatever, or take whatever disease or whatever list of diseases you have and type each one with inflammation, and you'll learn that they're all related to inflammation. Inflammation does not exist in the natural world. Inflammation only exists in our modern world. So we have to find a way the future is about. For me, it's about education, teaching what I've learned, and sharing with it. But for everybody else, I mean, the world has to find, first of all, continue to learn about this and and do more studies. And if they if those are needed, what's really neat is people need to experience it, but we need to incorporate the natural world into our modern world, meaning that if grounding is what maintains our immune systems electrically stable, your immune system is 100% electrical. If you want to maintain the immune system and eliminate auto immune disorder, which is what the underlying cause of all these modern health disorders is, then you have to, we have to connect ourselves. We have to bring the earth energy into our living environments, modernize them so and again. You can edit this down, but you know, it's, it's about the new, the future, is like right now, we have AI, and everything in the world is changing very rapidly. And based on what I've seen in my 80 years, I'm telling you you haven't seen anything yet, because now it's doubling every every 15 minutes. Yeah, every 15 minutes. But anyhow, so there's good and bad, whatever. It's all about information, getting information to all the people all the time. This is a mission that's been running through time from the printing press on, and it's about sharing information, education and anyhow, so that's but the main thing here that has to be done is people have to learn about this, not the crazy people running around out there selling this that whatever it's about, we need to incorporate grounding into our lifestyles, but not right now. We're using mats or sleep mats or or whatever it takes, or patches for acute inflammation, so on, but, but you have to have grounded carpets. You have to have grounded floors fabrics so that when they make a sofa, a mattress or anything, so that we everything is can subtly connected to the earth in order to maintain the electrical phenomena of the natural earth, which of which we are part and to stabilize the the electrical phenomena of the body, To stabilize the immune system, to stop it from misfiring or not. It's not misfiring. It's doing what it's supposed to do. It just lost its ground. But it doesn't know it lost its ground, sure. And right now we're sold. Well, do this? Take that whatever what that is? Not the answer you have the body is it knows what to do. You do not know what to do. Your body knows what to do. If you all you have to do is, if you have pain in your body or health disorder, then you have to remove what's interfering with your immune system so that the body can return itself to normal. It's the stress of life that you're putting it's not it's not nature. It's not naturally. It's our environments. We have to change our environments. We have to bring nature in electrically, this invisible shield that is naturally there that we've always had. We have to reincorporate that into our living environments and modernize our living. Electrically, modernize or and get rid of the static electricity, whatever it is, any kind of electrical phenomena that's perturbing or interfering with the immune system, and most especially, you have to restore ground, because if you don't have ground, you don't have a safe environment.

Alex Ferrari 1:45:18
Clint, I want to first of all, honor you for the work that you've done all these years to get this information out in the world. I appreciate you so so much for helping not only awaken this planet, but heal this planet and heal everybody on it. That's what it's really about. But I appreciate you, my friend, and thank you again for everything you're doing.

Clint Ober 1:45:38
Thank you for having me. It's an honor.